Z Days, New York

[jonthibault]

I just got Zildjian Days, New York, and Zildjian Days, London, for my birthday. Pretty sick, but I must say they should have shown more Vinnie. Gadd is great, but Billy Cobham is unimpressive. I think the latter was more "old school" at the time, and that's why he's on the video. I don't think he really stands up by today's standards. Gadd is tasty as hell and has a surprising amount of chops. Vinnie plays in some bizarre "something/16" time signature which is just plain nutty. I've only seen it once and haven't had time to figure it out. Again, he doesn't play nearly enough.

Zildjian London is better produced (1995 as opposed to 1987) but I don't find the drumming as impressive. None of the players, in my opinion, are up to the Vinnie, Dave, Steve Smith, etc. level. I don't find Dennis Chambers very impressive either (bring on the hate mail). He's on Zildjian Days, London, and he's got REALLY fast singles, crazy independence, but so what? I find Simon Phillips equally boring. I want MUSICAL PHRASING, for the love of God. Greg Bissonette is okay, but nothing he did blew me away, either.

I also got the Buddy Rich Concert with Dave, Vinnie, and Gadd, and it is by far the best video of rhidiculous drumming available. I hadn't seen it for years, and it's unreal.

A special thanks to Randy Walker for sending me the Blue Note Tokyo show. It is top-notch. I wish he had made a CD with Vinnie. Made my birthday that much better. Thanks, Randy!

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Jack

[Randal Walker]

My pleasure, glad you liked it.
What cd are you wanting?
Randy

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[Nikk]

I agree with you, man. Gimme the Weckls and Vinnies anyday over the Dennises.

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[jonthibault]

I meant that it would have been nice if Chick had made a CD with Vinnie. Other than GRP Superlive, I don't think he did.

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Jack

[Randal Walker]

The Blue Note is on cd. As an import though.

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[Groovemeister]

I don't wanna start slagging Dennis off, but remember that post I posted a little while back about him being rude.

It contained loads of comments ratifing the comments above, his playing is boring, samey and uninspiring at times.

GM

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[arin]

>I also got the Buddy Rich Concert with Dave,
>Vinnie, and Gadd, and it is by far the best
>video of rhidiculous drumming available. I
>hadn't seen it for years, and it's unreal.

I LOVE THAT ONE! Just watched it today again. :-)

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[jonthibault]

Yeah, there's one point where Dennis, while doing an ostenato (sp?) on his bass drum and high hat, looks at his watch, drinks from a water bottle, and dries his face with a towel, obviously just to show off for the crowd. I thought it was cheesy.

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Jack

[benrand]

Billy on that tape is playing his ass off. His solo is built around musical phrasing and melody. It's one of the best solos I've ever seen.

I mean, that solo is all about phrasing, as is Tommy Campbell's. Gadd plays some beats...cool beats, but so what. Look at the solo's big picture, Billy created a piece of music with suspense, tension and release.


I agree about CHambers on ZDL...what a showboat, and he was clamming left and right. Very unmusical. I prefer his playing with Scofield.


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[Steve Holmes]

"Gadd plays some beats...cool beats, but so what"
<strike> You are banned from this forum.</strike>
I disagree.

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